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Offline Emma

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Totally OT Punctuation Question
« on: June 05, 2007, 08:31:13 AM »
'The cemetery has featured in a number of films including James Bonds Live & Let Die and Double Jeopardy'

To apostrophise or not? I say 'James Bonds' is the plural of a sort of compound noun ('I saw a good James Bond last night'), albeit not terribly good English. Our reader says it should be James Bond's, but to me that implies he is the director or possibly lead actor.

Anyway, things are quiet around here (Thing is quiet too, as in the proper noun) so I thought I'd wake you all up.

(Yes i know the solution is 'James Bond movies Live & Let Die...' (with film names italicised).
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Re: Totally OT Punctuation Question
« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2007, 10:30:13 AM »
In the quote you give us I'd say it should have an apostrophe since Live & Let Die  is a James Bond film.

James Bond's Live & Let Die and Double Jeopardy.

would be punctuated differently if 'James Bonds' was the plural

possibly
James Bonds; Live & Let Die and Double Jeopardy.
 but this would infer that Double Jeopardy is a bond film which it isn't as far as I know :)

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Re: Totally OT Punctuation Question
« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2007, 10:31:09 AM »
Oh, isn't it? Shows my ignorance. In which case I'd just reword it all completely!
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Re: Totally OT Punctuation Question
« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2007, 10:49:51 AM »
Ah,.......but did your 'reader' know that it wasn't

now the above proves that I can't punctuate

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Re: Totally OT Punctuation Question
« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2007, 08:37:32 AM »
Ok so I'm sad enough to have looked this up this morning :)

The James Bond's Live & Let Die and Casino Royale.
 when Live & Let Die belongs to (or directed or starring or lead character is etc.) Someone called James Bond
 and possibly Casino Royale belongs to, as well. This is grammatically ambiguous.

The James Bonds' Live & Let Die and Casino Royale.
 when Live & Let Die belong to several people called James Bond or one person called Bonds
 and possibly Casino Royale belongs to, as well. This is grammatically ambiguous.

The James Bonds Live & Let Die and Casino Royale.
 when both Live & Let Die and Casino Royale are James Bonds (where 'James Bonds' is a plural)
  dash used to separate a list of singular examples of a plural.

The James Bonds [Roger Moore and Daniel Craig].
 when both Roger Moore and Daniel Craig are James Bonds (where 'James Bonds' is a plural)
  square brackets more commonly used to refer to peoples names

 :o :o 7

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Re: Totally OT Punctuation Question
« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2007, 02:20:15 PM »
I'm sadder than you....

Ok so I'm sad enough to have looked this up this morning :)

The James Bond's Live & Let Die and Casino Royale.
 when Live & Let Die belongs to (or directed or starring or lead character is etc.) Someone called James Bond
 and possibly Casino Royale belongs to, as well. This is grammatically ambiguous.
Either way, the word 'The' would be meaningless. Otherwise I would be happy with 'Stephen Spielberg's Close Encounters' or at a pinch 'Bruce Willis's Die Hard', but I'm not sure a film can belong to a fictional character - 'Lizzie Bennett's Pride and Prejudice' is completely daft.
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The James Bonds' Live & Let Die and Casino Royale.
 when Live & Let Die belong to several people called James Bond or one person called Bonds
 and possibly Casino Royale belongs to, as well. This is grammatically ambiguous.
Again, the word 'The' lets this down.

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The James Bonds Live & Let Die and Casino Royale.
 when both Live & Let Die and Casino Royale are James Bonds (where 'James Bonds' is a plural)
  dash used to separate a list of singular examples of a plural.
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I like this the best, for the meaning the author was looking for. It is clear, and makes it obvious that 'a James Bond' is a thing, not the person.
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The James Bonds [Roger Moore and Daniel Craig].
 when both Roger Moore and Daniel Craig are James Bonds (where 'James Bonds' is a plural)
  square brackets more commonly used to refer to peoples names

 :o :o 7
That's good too, but not what was meant. Time to move on....
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Re: Totally OT Punctuation Question
« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2008, 11:45:05 AM »
Not quite synchronicity, since there is a 6 month gap but we are just printing the Bonds as in 21 magazine covers, each with a different film theme.